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# 1|mia says: edit

As a chinese student who came to U.S., I would not say there is absolutely no racism in china against black people, but I sincerely don’t think it’s a serious problem. For a nation most of the people who probably will never get a chance to talk to a black people, most of the impression towards them came from movies and media, which is quite shallow. as a matter of fact, I still can remember that was I was very young (6,7 yrs old), I learned that there were some black students who came from Africa who were studying at the colleges where my uncles worked, i was so curious that every time I went there I wished I could get a chance to meet them.
After I came to U.S., I made a very good friend who’s also an internal student from Nigeria. For some reason, I found it’s much easier to make an friend with an African than African American.
Maybe it’s not my position to say this, and I dont know much about the slavery history, but I really think it’s time for African American to forget that history and stop blaming others. That wont do any good. You are the only ones that can help yourself.

btw, my hubby (he’s also a chinese) told me that if he had right to vote, he would vote for obama since some whites are so incredible arrogant towards him the other day after he watched the fox news.
# 2|mia says: edit

Leo,

I agree with you. This is exactly what I mean: “We have to make sure that WE are doing is the right thing, and yes work twice as hard if need be, so it will eventually become less hard for ourselves and the black people of the future!”

And wish you’ll have a great trip to China.
# 3|Tunjii says: edit

This comment is for Mia: My lady, what you and others don’t seem to understand is the fact that Racism-White Supremacy is alive and well, in the US and other parts of the world, as well. The feects of the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade are still effecting Black people in the united States. For example: Our culture, families, ways of worship, how we dealt with everyone on a day to day basis, was virtually destroyed. We’ve been terrorised by Caucasians for the last two centuries. Or has everyone forgotten the lynchings that occurred in the country for well over a Century. If you read the book entitled, ” 100 Years Of Lynchings ” by Ralph Ginzberg, you’d get a real time sense of what has happened. However, Racism has become more subtle now and much harder to detect. I suggest you read a book entitled, ” Two Nations: Black, White, Hostile, Separate, And Unequal ” by Dr. Andrew Hacker. Finally, no one ever says to the so-called Jews of Europe to
” forget and get over it” , in terms of what was done to them by the Nazis. It is a fact that ” those who forget the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them “. We must never forget the inhuman, despicable, horrific behavior of those who have no respect for life and commit atrocities and crimes against humanity-ever. If you want peace, work for justice. Peace, Tunjii
# 4|병신 says: edit

Things you will find in this thread:

- Pseudo-facts
- Pseudo-science
- Pseudo-intellectuals
- Baseless claims
- Baseless assumptions
- Conspiracy theories
- Incorrect definitions
- Logical fallacies
- Racists claiming that they are not racists

You all know who you are and I have no doubt you will take an immense amount of time to craft a response that is both self-assuring and laughable.
# 5|Tunjii says: edit

Well, you’ve said a mouthful. The only thing left to be said is provide your proof that all that is said, as regards to facts, definitions, conspiracy theories, fantasies, scientific evidence, etc. are not true. Where is your proof ? You can’t refute something someone presents as facts, simply be claiming they aren’t true. You must provide facts of your own.
# 6|LE says: edit

amen
# 7|xiling freeman says: edit

I have a very personal story to tell and that is very sad and proves that how racists Chinese can be. I am a Chinese born in Hong Kong in 1950’s and grow up in Taiwan, I met a light skin black guy in college when I was attending school in California during 1968 the hippie era, We got married and my family disown me and cut off my funding. Make a long story short , I got through it on my own; never look back and my husband earn his PH.d and taught 30 year in a elite colleges. When my son was born than a daughter, I thought we had earned our respect and I took my children and husband home. Surprise, !! I had raletives told me that my son is beautiful but my daughter is ugly, why? my son is fair and my daughter is dark. now I had grandchildren ( my daughter in law is English who has blond hair and blue eyes. and one of my grandson looks like my son. have dark hair and dark eyes, and one is blond and blur eyes. Now my family member told me the dark hair one is good looking and the blond on is not…. go figure !!!
# 8|Caramel Doll says: edit

The world hates black people, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but almost every country is racist against black people. Its really sad that people are so obsessed wih skin color, when skin color has nothing to do with a person’s soul. I am a mixed Caribbean girl with buttery caramel/olive skin, blondish brown hair and almost almond eyes. i have symmetrical features and even nose. How would i be percieved in China/Japan? (I have many asian friends and i speak some Japanese and plan to go there)
# 9|Caramel Doll says: edit

I hate the fact that white-skin supremacy ia alive and well, becaus eits not about ancestry its about color, which is terrible. Its not only a European thing but Asians, Arabs, whites, indians all have problems with dark skin or black people. Hell has fire tho, good for baking people. They will get crispy brown after they spew their hatred on Earth.

I embrace my European ancestry , Indian and African I see beauty in all colors/features why cant the world?
# 10|Aku says: edit

well i have traveled to many places and i lived and worked in China for a few years then i married a Chinese girl and went back to my home country. anyone who thinks that the racism in China is int very bad is either ignorant to the truth or part of the problem.
although I am white and found it very easy to get a job i was horrified at how my jobs all went the people i worked for couldn’t have cared Less about my ability as a worker they I was just advertising weather i was teaching or doing office work. they had a special area for foreign teachers and classrooms that were all glass walled so people could watch and stare. I have family in china and i truly enjoyed many things there but i was treated more like an animal in a zoo than a human in a city. and I had to Fight to get my friend a job because he was black with a masters degree from New York. even tho they had just giving a polish girl with a STRONG accent a job without as much as an interview. Racism is everywhere and that sucks but sometimes when i remember how I myself and some of my friend were treated in china i feel sick to my stomach that its considered normal by the citizens
# 11|Nikki says: edit

Well I am on my way to teach in China I sure hope I be O.K. Although I am Black I look as though I’m from India with the long eyelashes, deep eyebrows, and way thick hair, and beautiful skin. I still want to be known as Black I love my race although some things we do makes me unproud. I’ve sent my picture to several companies and they keep asking me where am I from originally as if I’m not from American or they thought I was from somewhere else. Oh well I’ll tkae this journey and keep GOD on my side I hope they not racist like that, shit it’s racism everywhere
# 12|African Man says: edit

I am really shocked to hear that chinese are racist.I used to have a lot of respect for them as a people, but this is gone from now on.
# 13|Lin Zhuo says: edit

It is not racism! From the books more than three thousand years ago (they probably did not know there were other races then), Chinese has been praising the beauty of whitest skin and darkest hair (like snow-white). It its own member got discriminated by relatively darker skin, how can it be racism?
# 14|I’m a Chinese says: edit

Come on, you guys. You know China is just stepping into a pre-modern period in recent history, i’m telling you ordinary Chinese now are concerned heart-and-soul about whether they can earn more money or live a better life. They don’t have much time or energy to consider things like “racism” or “discrimination”, please be tolerant. You Americans or Europeans also spent quite much time establishing a decent law system treating those are not white. So my advice to you is to be patient, it is just a fact in China that neither you nor I could change. What I can promise you is that after 50 years things will be different.(maybe shorter):)
Another thing i am wondering about you westerners is why most white marry white, black marry black? Is it also “subtle rasicm” claimed by the author?
# 15|The prince says: edit

To say China is not the country with the greatest RACISM will be an understatement.I’ve had the chance to live in many countries in the world but i have never seen a country whereby racism is openly disclosed.Whether you like it or not get this from me CHINESE are RACIST by birth.I mean even a child who’s 2 years old makes racist comments.And what makes it worse and reason why i think racism will never end in China is the knowledge that Chinese parents pass unto their kids.They make their kids stare at people and make degrading comments about foreigners especially black.Also Chinese are the greatest hypocrites you can ever come across.Don’t u ever turn ya back on a Chinese cuz he will definitely stab you.They seem so nice and friendly when they want something from you and the minute they get it they become so aggressive especially when they need to pay you.Ladies and gents are not just saying words but i’m telling what I saw during my stay in China.It’s the last country a BLACK person should think of going to and even if ya white they still treat you like an an object which is to be displayed.I even have white friends who got killed out there.So be warned
# 16|I’m a Chinese says: edit

to 15,
since you have experienced such “horrible things”, why not just get out of China and stay at your home, asking your Mother why your country is the best in the world…
actually, i am fed up with you hairy foreign guys, you come to China to earn our money meanwhile berating China’s everything that’s different from your own, attacking our government, you are as rude as uncivilized barbarians…
stay out of our country, we never say you are that welcome
# 17|I’m a Chinese says: edit

btw, in traditional Peking opera, black faces equal the side of justice, but white faces equal the side of cunningness and disloyalty.
thus, to some extent, our ancestors do have great racism against you white guys, i’m really sorry about that…:(
# 18|Michelle says: edit

The chinese are the most RACIST people I have come across. I remember visiting the Avenue of the Stars in Hong Kong with my English husband (I am Black by the way) There were a lot of day trippers from mainland China who pointed and stared at me laughing even coming up and surrounding me. When I tried to engage them in person they would run off laughing. Scumbags.. I have been to Thailand, Singapore and the Maldives, places were they are not used to seeing Black people but still did not react in such a backward obsence way.

I dread to think what is going to happen during the Olympics when they have nationalities of all sorts coming to the country. There was a report in our national newspaper in London stating that police are instructing bar owners not serve black people as they are pimps and thieves.
# 19|A Brother’s Thoughts says: edit

Even though you’re all talking about the subject. No one seems to be listening! It seems to me everyone is just interested in one upping everyone else. As for me I’ll just wait until in go to China before I allow others to form my opinion for me.
Peace
# 20|Jeremy says: edit

Hi Michelle, sorry for your experience, although it seems Hong Kong is the most open city in all of China, for obvious reasons.

About the bars, that’s just a rumor. Check out this article: Rumors and Racism.
# 21|The prince says: edit

to 15.saying foreigners should leave China sounds funny.get ya sick ass out of China and see how many Chinese are out there,maybe ya even one of them.I still wonder what the Olympic games are gonna look like cuz believe me Chinese aren’t ready to host the games and won’t be in the next 100 years to come cuz of their mentality.Michelle you’re right in China nowadays i heard u can’t even get a Hotel room if ya black.In beijing u need to force a driver to get ya .And for u who wanna find out by going there, it won’t be that obvious to u when u get there cuz everyone is gonna be so friendly as u might think but they’re just trying to rip u off as u will get to realize in the long run.
# 22|The prince says: edit

I strongly support the French president in his move to boycott the Olympic games and i wish every other president could do the same.there aren’t no human rights in China.Chinese are so racist that they even discriminate against their own people who are darker in complexion.So for those of you going out there be warned,watch ya back or u might come back in a box or worse again in a Jar.Guess what in some cases u just disappear
# 23|Black Coder says: edit

I am a programmer and was sent to China from Canada, I only had 8 months to complete my project in China, and i almost quit my Job last month just beacsue of the level of dicrimination i got when i came here. These guys don’t even believe a black man can use the PC(and i am sent to train them) and they will boldly ask you stupid questions and laugh at it in front of you. It took a lot of incentives and advice from the parent company to still keep me here.I had given the same training in poland and India and had never witnessed such stupidity before. the beijing racism against blacks ir real, They rejected my staying in there hotel even though the company had booked it months before the olympics. I am just here counting days and hoping this would just end ,i just want to GO HOME!!
# 24|I’m a Chinese says: edit

to 18 Michelle,
some questions for you,
1. how can you tell these tourists are from mainland? can you speak Chinese and establish efficient communication with them? most Chinese don’t speak English.
2.how do you know the reason why they laughed at you was just you are black? it comes to me that you really freaked out and being over-sensitive
3. why are you so afraid of being stared?…just stare back or smile if you wish(it’s optional)… is it a huge mental obstacle for you? come on…you foreign guys always feel so offended that easily?gosh!!
# 25|I’m a Chinese says: edit

to 21 prince,
watch your tone!
don’t speak in such a superior stance.
i don’t know you are a white guy or a black guy. but what you said could well form discrimination against Chinese people, this will well destroy your claims because yourself is a racist…pity for you…
plus, question for you, too:
you said you “heard” black people can’t find a hotel room in Beijing, what’s the source and have you ever checked it? Don’t make such subjective and groundless statements, it makes you sound more stupid.
# 26|I’m a Chinese says: edit

to 22 prince,
i guess Mr. Prince had the opportunity of being packed in a box or jar and being sent to your own country. if that’s true , i am so amazed that you survived and now typing words into computer…
about boycotting the game, it is pitiful that George Bush think differently…
about human rights, i acknowledged we did not do very well. but when West criticised China, it is just like a lame man blaming a man sitting in a weelchair—both not so healthy…
# 27|I’m a Chinese says: edit

to 23 black coder,
some advice for you,
1. when Chinese laugh, don’t think they are making fun of you. Chinese believe laughing is a way of avoiding embarrassment in communication. it’s not racism but just cultural difference.
2. it seems to me trust you or not has nothing to do with your color. before they receive your training they have to make sure you can give them what they want. so in my eyes it is not against your color but a test of your ability. what they did wrongly was just asking some quesions too simple for you, and that’s exactly why you are there, right? (and probably you are a coding genius and everything appears stupid to you…)
3. i hope you hear the words “why we don’t accept you in our hotel is just because you are black” from the mouth of the hotel staff, otherwise, don’t make such hasty and irresponsible conclusions. a lot of technical problems can result in the failure of checking in.
# 28|I’m a Chinese says: edit

to 19 A Brother’s Thoughts,
Welcome to China, what i can only say is that China is neither heaven nor hell, we have good people and bad people, too, like anywhere in the rest of the world.
# 29|I’m a Chinese says: edit

we chinese don’t have the dark history of capturing black slaves as labor force. so we do not have the original sin held by white people that the problem of race and skin color should be handled very carefully. Therefore the race difference in China has never been seen as a serious and sensitive problem.
in my opinion, that’s where the misunderstanding lies.
# 30|La Tatooie says: edit

Jesus!

I’m terrified of ever visiting China, now! did it occur to the people that the woman they hate now (because of her remarks regarding the earthquake) is Sharon Stone — a coveted, white woman?

In fact, I suppose the world does hate black people… as if the black will rub off on their hands, or something. If I keep listening to this schriff, I’ll be terrified to leave my house for the rest of my life! Since the world hates me, I’m going back to bed. Goodnight.
# 31|Michelle says: edit

How do I know they were laughing at me? Well I was out with we were out with my friend who lives in HK who told me that they were from the mainland. You weren’t there I was so you don’t know what had happened. And no I wasn’t ‘freaked’ out as I tried to engage them in friendly conversation but being a ‘black ghost’ ignored me and ran off!

Why would they try and take pictures off me but not engage conversation? Again I am used to travelling around the world where inhabitants are not used to seeing Black people, I am used to being stared at and it’s not a problem but NEVER have I experienced the level of rudeness that I had from the Chinese. Even in the hotel that we were staying at there were an American Black couple and they said they had experienced the same thing while visiting the mainland.
# 32|Michelle says: edit

To I am Chinese

There are lots of Black people here explaing about their awful experiences from the Chinese but yet you are questioning their allegations? I have a friend again in a mixed relationship who lets her room out to a Chinese man. Do you know despite her trying to engage him in conversation he will not speak to her, but yet he speaks to her husband? When she comes into her kitchen and he is in there he will leave until she finishes in the kitchen. My work mate is Chinese (although British born) and he admits that the Chinese are racist and was not surprised that I went through what i did at the Avenue of the Stsrs.
# 33|Michelle says: edit

Hi Jeremy..

Can I point out this to youhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/26/china.internationalcrime
# 34|I’m a Chinese says: edit

to Michelle,
Now i think you’ve provided enough evidence to prove that some mainland Chinese are not so polite in treating Black people. I am really sorry about that.
But the case of your friend seemed not so convincing. you know ordinary Chinese are not so good at communication. the reason why he would not talk to your friend might be he is really shy. if your friend is white, he may be also not so interested in conversation. you know there are always some people not so talkative and enjoy in their own world. so i see no direct link between his silence and the color of your friend.
Besides, I also want you to know some facts. China has 1.3 billion people, 0.9 billion of them are poor peasants living in remote coutryside. Meanwhile the majority of those living in cities do not receive college education, most of them ended their education in junior or senior high school, they are even not aware they are committing “racism” as you claimed. This is the education factor. However, The root reason why racism in China is not a serious and sensitive problem has been made above in post #29.
After all, I still would say you cannot claim all Chinese are racists because the Chinese you met with cannot represent the attitude of every single Chinese. Again, China is neither heaven nor hell, we have good people and bad people too, like anywhere in the rest of the world.
# 35|I’m a Chinese says: edit

I’d like to raise this question again here, to both black and white.
In many western countries, why black tend to marry black, white tend to marry white? Is there any implied “racism” or “discrimination” in here?
Look forward to your answers.
# 36|I’m a Chinese says: edit

to Michelle,
sorry, i just like to challenge everything, if this offends you, i apologize…
# 37|Michelle says: edit

Apologises accepted.

I would assume that those who are able to travel are not the poorer Chinese who reside in the countryside but those who have money and ‘educated’. As you stated there are a lot of peasants and I doubt those are the ones who are travelling or working in different countries.

You may be right in your assumption that not every Chinese person is racist, however the ones that I have come across have been nothing but extremely rude and racist. I look forward to been proved wrong. I am an educated woman and I am aware that I may be stereotyping all Chinese people however I am not going only on my experiences, but on the experiences faced by friends, family and strangers I have met on my travels and various websites

In relation to mixed relationships I have already cited two examples ie myself and my friend who are both married to white men. If you were familiar with western culture, particularly with British culture you would not ask that question as there are a lot of mixed relationships, furthermore mixed race people are the fastest growing ‘race’ in Britain. I am not sure about what happens in the US.

I could ask the same question from you? Why don’t the Chinese indulge in mixed relationships? In Britain I have yet to see a mixed relationship featuring a Chinese person with another race, in my whole life!!

In relation to the Chinese lodger. The landlady is Black, her husband is White. The lodger does not communicate at all with the Black woman but speaks to the White man. They actually tested their hypothesis out with me there and I saw it with my own eyes!
# 38|Michelle says: edit

My Black female friend went on holiday to China and visited a number of places including Beijing and Shanghai. Unassuming and non threatening she was never able to get a cab to stop for her at all. At the Great Hall of China people were talking pictures of her rather than the surrounding… Even if we were to put aside the allegations of racism there it is just damn rude! As I have said previously I have travelled extensively round the world and travelled to places where locals are not used to seeing people from a different race and used to being stared.

Can I suggest that you (I am Chinese) share the contents of posts on this forum wit your friends, family and work mates. Perhaps then they will start to think what behaviour is deemed acceptable around black people.

China is a beautiful country and I would love to come and visit it, however I would not come until I knew things had changed greatly
# 39|Michelle says: edit

Last comment (I promise)! My female friend was out in China and met Sharon Stone while she promoting a film last year. Do you know that Sharon Stone came up to her and stated I bet you are having a bad time here!! Can you believe that a movie star would walk up to a stranger and tell her that if things were not so bad!
# 40|The Prince says: edit

To I’m Chinese
Believe me or not my Chinese visa is valid till the end of January 2009,I only left ya country because i just can’t take the kinda treatment that you guys give foreigners in your country especially blacks.It’s a country with no human rights and instead of you arguing about it you should be lamenting and looking for ways to reduce it’s gravity.Guess what ,i just think fighting racism in China is a lost battle when i listen to people like you and when i think of what goes on in China.If ya smart enough then instead of asking people proves of the nonsense that goes on in ya country you should be apologising for ya people’s ignorance and barbaric nature.
# 41|The Prince says: edit

To I’m Chinese
To answer to ya question,i think just like your fellow Chinese brothers you’re suffering of a disease called IGNORANCE.there are lots of inter marriages between whites and blacks.I talking to you i’m black but my fiance is white and i got so many friends who are married to whites vice versa.But i know in China,most chinese only get married to foreigners because they want to go abroad,You know what i’m saying is true so don’t u dare ask for proves.
# 42|I’m a Chinese says: edit

to Michelle,
Wow, it seems posting here is becoming a daily job for me here.
To respond to your latest argument,
1. In China, the rich people do not mean the educated people. Many wealthy men in China never go to college. The reason why they became rich is they really work hard to make miracles

happen. Again, these people are even not aware of the existence of “racism”.
2. Definitely I admit there are successful mixed relationships in western countries. But what I talk about is more overall. Can you assert that the percentage of mixed relationships has

already surpassed that of non-mixed relationships? And which one is more common? Specific cases always exist.
3. About Chinese on mixed relationships, I’d like to mention something historical. Back to Tang Dynasty (618-907,AD), Chinese people living in the basin of Yellow River have already

contacted deeply and broadly with different races, including Persians, Arabs, Tibetans, Mongolians, Japanese, Korean and those from central Asia. They did business, and also they even

married each other and the magnitude of this race exchange was very very huge. Therefore Tang Dynasty was the most diverse period in the history of China. Actually, you can never say

there are “pure” ethnical Chinese living now in the world, probably the blood in my body contains some gene from Mongolians or Tibetans. In another word, China has the tradition of

embracing other cultures, but it takes time to let it show up.
4. Again, I hope you can understand China is such a huge country. The development within China is so unbalanced and quite different for different areas. Unpleasant people or things definitely exist in China, even I am experiencing such things every day. But the most important thing is that I am confident China is going in a correct direction and we can do better in near future.
p.s., I think we can exchange Email addrress for further discussion, this is mine—-ch.lance@gmail.com
# 43|Cassie says: edit

Hey there! Gosh! Sounds like some folks had a lot of bad experiences….:( I’m sorry about that…

Being Chinese myself (albeit a British Chinese) I do cringe at how insensitive if not racist some (note the word some- not all) Chinese can be when it comes to people of non-Chinese origins. I think the main problem is ignorance and lack of education.

A lot of people don’t travel around, they just base everything on assumptions and what they see on T.V. I’ve known some to come across as downright racists- say to blacks but when they met some decent blacks and realised how different they were, I could see a change in their attitude.

I do think there is truth in saying the Chinese are the most prejudiced people on the planet. (Based on what I know of the people and culture)The Chinese are very very proud of their 5000 year culture and rightly so. But many get an oversized head and cross the line between patriotism and arrogant/xenphobia. I can’t say much for other cultures as I feel I don’t have enough knowledge…tho I do think every country’s citizens are racist to some degree…if people deny that they are burying their head in the sand!

The Chinese are complicated. Some only love themselves- Chinese people, some actually self-hate, (I’ve seen this too many times!) some want to be white and some are racist and mean to everybody-including Chinese people and only like people exactly like them e.g. from same city etc.

And to answer some one, there are many Chinese interracial relationships in the UK! You’ve just not seen them all! All the ones I have been in have been with non-Chinese (I’m no sell out, just the way love worked )

Sorry for the long post, but peace out! xx
# 44|LE says: edit

i cam say that i agree with most the negative posts here about china and chinese here and the great britain as well. i think they are up the “bigot scale” as the caucasians and arabs and indians. as the the chinese are the most ignorant and prejudicial people i have can say that met in great numbers, as they bragged about their history as they were conquered by others and i can see why too! it is a shame to see a people with so much history and great accomplisments, become such a plague to understanding, and in their own country too! In the Usa, i can see that many like to “ally” themselves with the dominant “culture”[i.e=cauasian] and they take it to themselves to think they are superior. And to want to mate with the other caucasians, as they see them as equal to themselves and have no trouble thinking others that are “different”[other asians too!] and darker skinned people as subhuman. Wonderful “people”! one has nothing to see the proof about what is happening on the african continent to see what kind of “people” the chinese are… and what they think about blacks and then take their thoughts and prejudices, it back with them and export it other places in the world too! the africans are waking to their chinese “comrades” and “partners”, and seeing what they really are. It amazes me to how the chinese act with the world watching, but let alone in their own dark world. so, i think i will bypass china and go back to central asia, or een russia, and other places, where it is much, MUCH more friendly and congenial and with real people and not carticures out of a Klu Klux Klan manual for hate…
# 45|I’m a Chinese says: edit

to LE,
You seem so extreme and cynical, and you seem to have great hatred against Chinese people, really sorry about that. I can only say you DO NOT understand Chinese and China.
BTW, you have lots of spelling and grammar mistakes in your post, which makes me confused occasionally…
# 46|loveChina says: edit

中国人历史上没有种族歧视这个概念，而在西方社会（尤其是美国），种族歧视是一个非常敏感的话题，你们现在不是还在讨论Obama被暗杀的可能性吗？事实上，美国人只是不愿意把种族歧视这个问题拿到台面上说罢了，这并不代表这个问题不存在，也并不代表你们的种族歧视状况比我们好，只不过你们都不愿碰这个问题罢了。因此，你们是在用你们的标准来衡量中国人的行为，这是非常不公平的。
# 47|Jeremy says: edit

loveChina,

没有人否认现在的美国有种族歧视。

我自己不认为中国的种族歧视比美国严重，不过有一些带在中国一段时间的美国人会认为他们在中国收到的歧视比在美国多。你不能否认他们的经验，也不能说他们没有收到歧视。

中国是没有这种种族歧视的概念，不过它一样存在。五六十年代美国社会的种族歧视非常严重，不过当时没有多少白人认为这个歧视存在。现在的美国一样有歧视，不过它的严重性已经少了许多，也有不小意识到歧视还存在的白人。

否认这个问题的存在只会让他变成更大的问题，因为没有多少中国人直接去打击他。上面的评论，加上之前的评论，很清楚的说明很多人在中国收到了种族歧视。现在的问题是：否认这个问题，还是面对它？
# 48|The Prince says: edit

TO I’m Chinese.
It ain’t no English class out here and i’m sure LE simply typed his work without reading over as compared to you who certainly does the posting out here with a dictionary next to you.I can see that you’re still not completely accepting the fact that ya people need a complete change of attitude.We don’t need to understand ya long history to know that ya racist.people learn from history so as to make the future better but believe me when i say that your long history was a mere waste of time cuz u’ve learnt nothing from it.Don’t get me wrong out here,i got chinese friends that i respect as long as they’ve not been brain-washed by your system.so it’s time for Chinese to start moving towards civilization for you’ve been left out for so long.
# 49|LE says: edit

to: I’m a chinese.

What i said is true and more as well…as for yourself, you should admit and stop apologizing for the chinese and china’s extremely xenophobic, rude, and downright racist and prejudical behaviors as well.Please stop being a “cheerleader”,for china and it’s “propaganda”! as for me “hating” china and chinese, nothing is further from the truth, as my girlfriend and wife to be is mainland chinese, and i would like to see it a better place..but that seems impossible, for now..and the foreseeable future.And as for my “grammerical” mistakes i do make a few on my post, but you should look to your own words and work much to improve the little “chinglish”, and syntax that you know, and try write more concise english in logical sense, and challenge what i have said here. I bet others will confirm the bad treatments and more they have suffered by your “people”,[especially black and darker-skinned races and ethnic groups!] as i stand by what i say, that for china, and the chinese to be looked on favorably in the world and foreigners that visit there, the whole country must take steps to address or i and others will not stop complaining here about our treatments. So, please convince me it you can…but i doubt it!
# 50|Cassie says: edit

Racism happens everywhere. I myself have been the subject of numerous racial abuse from all sorts growing up in the UK from whites, Indian/Pakistanis, blacks and even fellow East Asians! PS Does a Hong Kong Chinese refusing to associate with me because of my mainland heritage count?

Anyhoo, racism in China does exist, more against blacks than others I believe. However I reckon racism is more based on economic terms than just pure skin colour. Black Americans/ Black people born in the West tend to have a more favourable treatment (once the people realise they are from USA!) than those hailing from Africa from what I have seen and heard.

Echoing what someone said earlier (in Chinese), the concept of racism is almost non-existent in most Chinese’s minds. I don’t think many of them realise their attitudes and what they say will be interpreted as being racist. Given China’s history of “closed doors” till effectively the 1980’s and the homogenous population- most Chinese people, Han Chinese or not, tend to look similar means that China is ill-equipped to deal with “new” faces. I think education and more cultural experices, especially for young students will help.
People are comparing China with the standards expected of the West- say UK and USA. I’m not saying the Chinese should be allowed to continue to be racist etc, but you need to allow time for changes to happen. Immigrants in America and UK struggled for decades, if not hundreds of years to be recognised to be equal. Unfortunate as it is, its going to take China a long time too. Someone said this earlier that the Chinese can either shy away and deny racism exists or to tackle it. Of course any country that denies racism is non-existent in a country is lying or wholly ignorant! But I am optimistic that everything is heading in the right direction for China xxx
# 51|Naeboo says: edit

Where can an African American living in China go to connect/meet with other African Americans?
# 52|one love says: edit

I am a black guy but Australian i don’t know much about China but i have a Chinese gilfriend who i met here in Australia her father has disowned her for going out with me and recently i decided i will go to China so that i can learn more about the country and the people. i applied for a few jobs teaching english at chengdu university they were happy with me until i sent them my picture they only replied to me and said we do not employ black people and the same was said by yentai university. Now i don;t know what to expect because dealing with universities i think i’m talking to educated people but they are racist. Before this i had very high regards for china but now hmmmm i think i will reconsider i love my girlfriend but now we just might have to not go to china which is sad but now i think china is more racist than a lot of countries even in asia
# 53|thewatcher says: edit

to: I’m a chinese.

You said…
‘I’d like to raise this question again here, to both black and white.
In many western countries, why black tend to marry black, white tend to marry white? Is there any implied “racism” or “discrimination” in here?’
None of this is true. In the UK and USA, there is a noticeable percentage of black males who marry white females and an even more noticeable percentage of Chinese/Asian women who marry white men.

IMO the race of a potential partner seems less important to a black male than it would to an Asian/Chinese female. Asian/Chinese women seem to mainly seek white men (some claim that they do this because it elevates their position in western society). Chinese women (from university and the internet) have expressed to me how they find Chinese men to be unattractive when compared to white men.

From my interaction with Chinese people, I would say that their concept of racism is even more twisted than that of white supremacist groups such as the KKK.
While the KKK would claim that everyone who is not white is inferior, many Chinese I have met seem to believe that white people are superior, followed the Chinese and then all other groups are inferior.

I have also met a few Chinese people born in China who believed that British people are only white and people of Indians, Pakistanis, Africans or Caribbean descent do not deserve to be in the country because we are all terrorists or criminals. Perhaps this explains the subservient attitude most have for white males and the need to marry one badmouthing their males.

I will conclude this post with a simple question. Only you will know your true answer…
I’m a Chinese, do you view black people and white people as equals?
# 54|Jaded Horse says: edit

As a white American middle-aged guy in nice clothes, a Christian and psychosocial specialist who understands biases (including my own), believes in equality and love for one’s fellow man, married to a Chinese with a child, and who has lived in Shanghai for 5 years, worked with and for the Chinese, and has seen all the international clean-ups and business returning to usual once the spotlight is off, please allow me to say:

Not only is racism institutionalized in China against anyone who is not Han majority; but that there is no opportunity for dialogue about the matter, as the people are largely in denial, and dialogue only evokes evasion, spite and counteraccusations. You know, anything to preserve the denial. In short, the Chinese generally mock difference, period, and I don’t see that changing within my lifetime.

So unless you’re masochistic, plan for a short stay in China, or better yet, avoid it.

At least in western countries we can have a dialogue about our faults.

Oh, and also, the racism presents all manner of daily problems that will drag the quality of your life right into the gutter and make you wonder what ever possessed you to even visit here let alone commit to it.

China will reap what she sows, as will anyone who promotes themselves at the expense of their fellows.
# 55|Olatunji says: edit

To the watcher : Just becasue people of the same race date and marry each other doesn’t denote racism or discrimination. In most instances it is a cultural and ethnic preferrence, that’s all, nothing more. And to Jaded Horse I say, I’m glad that you’ve admitted your own biases. Again,as I said on this post several times, Racism- White Supremacy is perpetrated thru the flow of information -The media i.e. newspapers, national network and local television news, movies, television shows, music videos, etc. If you are Caucasian or Chinese, for that matter, and you are the elite and the wealthy of that Nation, you can dictate how people view other people- either negatively or positively, (Blacks, in particular case, and other foreigners in general), you therefore, can control the way one group of people treats another group of people. It is the negative image of how people are perceived. Whovever controls the flow of information and the image of a race of people, the way that information and image is controlled and pertrated in the United States and throughout the world, will be able to dictate how other people veiw that particular group of people. This flow of negative information and image is historical, as well as from current events. For instance; if you didn’t know that Blacks are forerunners of science, math, art, architecture, engineering, writing, agriculture, organized government, spiritual ideas, astrology, astronomy, etc. you’d think that we nothing but what you saw on television, movies or music videos. You’d conclude that all we are , are criminals, whores and low lifes, etc. However, if you knew that our contributions to civilization spans the millenia, from ancient Ethiopia (Ta-Nehisi), Nubia ( Ta-Seti), Egypt (Kemit or Ta-Merri), ancient Sumer, the Xhia and the Xhiang of ancient China, The Harrapan Civilization of Mohando Dharo (Indus Valley), The Moors, who conquered Spain and Portugal) and influenced much of Southern Europe, ancient Monomotapa (South Afrika), to the Americas (The ancient Olmecs of Mexico). If you don’t know this information, of which I’ve just alluded to, don’t you think that the lack of knowing it would influence your perceptions of Black people ? It most certainly would. And this has been proven by virtue of the perceptions Caucasians, Chinese, Japanese, Arabs, so-called Jews and others have of us. The Trans-Atlantic slave trade has contributed negatively and greatly to this perception. Until and unless these facts are acknowledged, other races of the world, as well as my own people will continue to act, based upon the lack of this knowledge.
# 56|one love says: edit

to I’m Chinese you seem to have this notion that the world should understand china as if china is a baby nation and yet at the same time china wants to be recognised as a 5000 year old civilisation. i think China should understandthe people of the world other than the other way round
# 57|tired of you says: edit

My problem after reading thru this blog is how the Chinese participants are unwilling to admit to documented concerns about there set of moral axioms. This is an admission of guilt in itself. I have never been to China and only googled this site because a comment made by a friend about racism in China and subsequently being curious about whether it was rumor or truth. I am now convinced that it is truth. Personally I should have suspected the truth from the racism I have experienced from immigrant Chinese in the U.S. What can you expect from a group of people who in 2000 years are still only a few steps up from emperor worship. Yea, I will admit that you somewhat clever people with a old “ civilization “. I also admit that there are good and bad people in every race. But, overall, now, I think your national soul is godless. But I believe from history and experience that nations are just good weapons ,so their souls are all godless.” principalities or what not” Blacks need to develop their nations so we can get some respect. Next to God we are all equally good and evil, for infinity minus a finite is still infinity. All praises be due to Allah!!!!
# 58|wtf? says: edit

wtf is this? how can you claim that an entire race is racist and are able to describe how they’re racist if you’re claiming that an entire race is racist doesn’t that make this article prejudice and you racist? also you make it seem as if other races are not racist personally I’m not asian but if I was I would be seriously offended by this I just googled racism to right a report and happened to stumble on to this and wow just wtf
# 59|Jeremy says: edit

Hey wtf -

If you read the third sentence of the article above, you’d realize that this article doesn’t make the claim that China as a whole is more racist than other countries – neither does it ever make the claim that all Chinese people are racist.
# 60|wtf? says: edit

yeah fine then ‘the prince’ is claiming that this racism pertains to all Chinese people I mean just read his comments are you saying he’s not referring to all Chinese people? I mean personally I really don’t give a %*^# but wow what a hypocrit
# 61|Jeremy says: edit

Hey wtf – You’re right that is an all out attack on Chinese people, and crosses the line.
# 62|LE says: edit

well, most[chinese mainland and abroad] are racist and bigots and i find nothing that “the prince” said that was in any ways inaccurate or totally biased. He spoke the truth, and some people here, refuse to acknowledge what is….;-(
# 63|one love says: edit

Jeremy you know i used to think like that but do you know my g friend’s father actually went to his friend who is a doctor to ask advice and the guy told him not to let allow me and my girl friend to be together just becoz i’m black and she is not a bad girl so why shouldshe settle for something not gud.and this is a doctor speaking. The problem is that chinese pple don’t see it as racism unless the go outside of china where they will usually realise that what they do at home is not gud but then they become part of the minority as well and a lot of them never go back they stay in the west so They are not bad pple they just think they are right and that these views are normal and are views of the word as well but to me and my g friend who is chinese this needs to change and we need everyone’s voice to create racial awereness within china otherwise i don’t think they are bad pple
# 64|Th prince says: edit

To WTf
guess what i really don’t care if ya white,blacl or Asian. all i did was to say the truth and what goes on out there. And like i said i got Chinese friends in and out of China that i do respect but one thing remains certain , if things have to change out there then the truth needs to be faced and change implemented.And saying the truth doesn’t make ya a hypocrite, Should i actually define the word HYPOCRITE for ya?? wtf
# 65|Shanghainese says: edit

Okay I am a Chinese from Shanghai and I have to say that I feel a little bit funny here because the endless accusation of Chinese being hostile to black people reminds me of my first trip to Guangzhou, a city in South China where a lot of black people inhabit. A WHITE American friend of mine who had lived there for 2 years warned me to stay far away from any black people on the streets, claiming that they were all dangerous and probably on drugs. It was the first time I heard someone talking about black people here in China.

Honestly most Chinese don’t know too much about black people, and that is the problem. My parents, for instance, didn’t even have an impression of black people until they saw some movies and TV programs, mostly from America, in which black people were usually associated with violence and rudeness, and such things did affect their opinions profoundly.

Personally I have nothing against black people, since I classify people with personality instead of skin color. Surely I can’t speak for all my people, although I’m not sure if labeling all people from mainland China as “racists” is racism itself, but I have to say that “discrimination”, if you have to call it that way, against black people here in China is due to the lack of communication and mutual understanding, which neither accusation nor hatred could help.

The funnier is the so-called racism against Japanese people. I assume you do not know how many young people here in China are crazy about Japanese stars, fashion, music, or cartoon. Admittedly there are still a siginificant number of Chinese people who dislike Japan, but I think you should check first 2CH, the biggest Japanese BBS, if you can read Japanese, to see how fierce their hatred toward China is, but does that make all Japanse people racists? No! Because we understand that 2CH is not the ENTIRE Japan, and we don’t expect everyone on the planet to like us.

As for the question “I’m a Chinese, do you view black people and white people as equals?” raised by thewatcher, you know, it’s truly a difficult question, for I am a Chinese, and I can’t see why I should not view black or white as equal. Probably you can tell me the reason.

Well, enough talk, I agree with the one from China who said that China is neither heaven nor hell. You may have complaints about how Chinese people remain ignorant toward foreigners, I’m also tired of being bothered by many foreign men, so far all white, with nonesense like “How come you don’t want to marry a foreigner?! Every Chinese girl wants to marry a foreigner!” Fortunately, I’m not that stupid to draw a conclusion that all foreign white men are ignorant and self-involved idiots just because of my limited experiences.
# 66|tired of you says: edit

I labeled my article as from “tired of you” in expression for the part in me that is angry. I agree that Chinese people are probably no better or worse than people of any other country. I recall both very mean and very kind things done to me by Blacks, Whites and Asians in my life. I love all people including the Chinese, but I think every one needs to realize that “us black folks” have feelings too. Too hold my race in contempt because of their present social economic status, which is what most are doing, is asking for judgment. Never forget the oppressed are ultimately under the protection of El Shaddai.
# 67|AvgChineseGuy says: edit

Maybe chinese dont like black people because all we hear the black do is whine, whine whine, complain about racism racism racism all the time, everyday eery minute every hour racist here, racist there, everywhere is racist, if someone look your way it is racist, if something dont happen your way it racist, if you not be waited on hand and foot, racism, if you not treated like god-king, center of whole cosmos, its because chinese are racist, or white people racist, or arabs racist…. black people ALL THE TIME with this “racist this racist that”…you need to get the word “race” out of your filthy mouths and get over yourselves…its high time to show respect to others, stop expecting anything from them and maybe you will get something in return. first you must EARN RESPECT, its not just given to you because you are a black. Do something that people will respect and appreciate instead of always negative, and stop whining, and maybe you stop encounter this “racism” everywhere!
# 68|Olatunji says: edit

To AvgChineseguy : Your veiws are very simplistic and unrealistic. If you examine some of my earlier posts you’d realize that the views that most people, including Chinese, have about Black are based largely upon ignorance. If your only view of Blacks is based upon what you see on Television, the Movies, Music videos, U.S. Local and Network news, your view will be very narrow. If, on the other hand your view is based upon Historical information, current, unbiased scientific data that has been researched by Black scholars your view might change dramatically. If possible, you might to avail yourself these books:(1) ” Blacks In Science: Ancient and Modern ” by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima, ” Nile Valley Civilizations ” by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima,
(3) ” The Secret Relationship between Blacks and Jews ”
(4) ” The Star of Deep Beginnings ” by Dr. Charles Finch
(5)” Echoes of The Old Darkland ” by Dr. Charles Finch
(6) ” Nile Valley Contributions to Civilization ” by Anthony Browder,
(7) ” 100 Years of Lynching ” by Ralph Ginzberg . All of these books can purchased for a nominal fee at
” Everyone’s Place ” 1356 W. North avenue Baltimore, Maryland 21217 The united States of America 410-728-0877. I highly suggest you purchase them all. Perhaps, your views about Blacks might change, perhaps not. But at least you’ll see there is much to learn about Black people besides the nonsense, lies, and propangada you see on Television, Movies, Music Videos, U.S. Local and Network News. Racism is created by those who control the flow of information. If this information is controlled by those who hate Black people they can control people’s
(Caucasinas, Chinese, Arabs, Indians, even Blacks) thoughts and therefore, control their actions, as well. Do some research on the Tavistock Institute, if you don’t believe me. Open your mind and at least take a look at what I’m saying. You’ll see that what I’m saying has great validity.
# 69|LE says: edit

to: Olatunji.

You waste your time[my opinion only!] and energies to teach those chinese, and other ethnics anything, because they are too dense, and too backwards, ignorant, and have too much a stake to keep blacks at lower levels DESPITE the obvious and the historical evidence to the contrary, should they wish to learn..as you will find out the mentality there, like AVGchineseGuy[maybe a caucasian troll!] is that to keep the Han chinese on top, with whites as their “equals”, and the rest as subhumans on this planet. The very same thinking from the past,[chinese had black slave too!] to now that is so much of thinking not so much unlike the Nazis in germany, and japanese, the koreans, and of course Amerikka, and the western world as well! All we can do, is to expose them for what they are and the lies and untruths they wish to believe and propagate to ad infintium ….
# 70|Olatunji says: edit

To Le: Well Le, My words still needed to be said, not only for AVGCHineseguy, but for everyone else, as well. I thank you for your support for what I’ve said. It heartens me to know that there those out there who understand and know history, current events, and how fully understand that those in the NEW WORLD ORDER ELITE want to maintain control of this planet, the natural resources, and the people on it. Thanks Le, Olatunji
# 71|The Prince says: edit

TO AVGchineseguy
Just like your fellow country men you keep on proving that you aren’t ready to change your mentality. Let me put it this way, There’s no smoke without fire, You might be too dumb to understand this but it simply means that people just can’t complaint without having a reason.No matter how much a BLACK person accomplishes in China ,one thing remains factual with y’all ” Shi he ren” meaning he’s black instead of saying waoh what a great achievement. All you see is colour and nothing else. I still wonder wether if blacks were meant to play the role of saints in movies if that’s gonna change ya mentality and guess what the answer is NO.You guys are just so steroetyped.Talking about blacks achieving things to deserve respect, turn back to ur books and read more and try to find out where civilization began,i bet you actually don’t know much about civilization cuz it hasn’t reached your country yet. Hope it does real soon cuz y’all a pain in the ass.
# 72|American Chinese Person says: edit

The Prince, you’re not doing yourself any favors by deriding all Chinese people. You simply perpetuate the stereotypes of black people as always playing the race card when all else fails. Show some humility, learn some respect, and maybe others will begin to respect you.

I’m not some “ignorant” Chinese person getting my information from television. Like my name says, I’m a Chinese-American and I’ve dealt with African-Americans first hand. Some are decent people, but many of them are rude, uneducated, and generally crass individuals. Anyone can look up the statistics on crime and imprisonment in the U.S. and see the facts for themselves.

My ancestors didn’t partake in the enslavement of black people, so don’t take out your resentment of slavery on Chinese people. To the educated and well-meaning black people out there, yes racism does exist. But it’s not because Chinese people are born racist. It’s simply learned through experience in dealing with black people.

What you need to do this counteract this is to always be respectful, make an effort to learn about other cultures besides your own, and most importantly NEVER play the race card. Seriously, as soon as play the race card and start shifting blame, all dialogue closes because there’s no good response to being called a “racist”.
# 73|The Prince says: edit

To chineseAme.
Next time u wanna post read my comments correctly be4 you quote me. I didn’t say anything about china and slavery so stop misquoting.secondly, don’t tell me to learn about other cultures but Most or i’ll say 90% of China needs to learn about other cultures. Watching a movie and deducing a completely wrong idea about a race is just so wrong. When we watch chinese movies with jackie Chan in huts we don’t conclude that all chinese live in huts. Most of u guys just need to think beyond your nostrils.Most Africans or African-Americans who venture to China are educated meanwhile most whites heading to China to taech as well are not. Did u know that?? I’m talking from experience,but guess what, eventhough these schools know that the guys are not they still prefer them and worship the work that they do as compared to an African-American, Why is this so?? It’s time for a CHANGE.
# 74|one love says: edit

to american chinese the mistake you make is to focus on black americans but here we are talking about black people in china you see there is a lot more black people outside of america some of them with a lot more pride they love china untill they are told as they grow up like me that chinese people are very good untill they decide to go to china for themselves. i have been to china there is a lot of good people there but there i also a lot of bad people some of them racist but a lot of them just bad manners. they are are jst not considerate. a guy willcome in you face and lough its rude i wonder how he would feel someone did that to him in a foreign country. so pliz pliz not all black people are from America there is more black people in the world. i hate the fact that a lot of people think all black people are like Back americans thats wrong
# 75|one love says: edit

Prince i like your comments i think most of them are really true and i don’t know why people attack you but i think you just state the facts keep it up and to all the chinese who are taking Prince’s comments as personal attacks on you pliz think again the comments relate to china and maybe this is just time for you to really think twice b4 you judge bcoz of what you have seen on tv or head from someone
# 76|American Chinese Person says: edit

The Prince, I didn’t quote you per se. I simply framed slavery in the context of the discussion because that’s what African-Americans use as a fallback for whatever perceived injustice they believe they’re suffering. Look no further than Olatunji’s post above for an example.

“Watching a movie and deducing a completely wrong idea about a race is just so wrong.”

I’ve already addressed this in my previous post. I live in the U.S. I know what it’s like living with black people firsthand. My firsthand experience is backed up with cold hard facts:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

“90% of China needs to learn about other cultures”.

90%? Really? You met 1 billion Chinese people during your trip to China?

“Most Africans or African-Americans who venture to China are educated meanwhile most whites heading to China to taech as well are not.”

So you’ve personally met each and every white and black person that’s been to China? And you’ve seen their standardized test scores or measured their IQs?

Bullshit. You’re just pulling “facts” out from your ass and I’m calling you on it. Again, with the blame shifting. Sorry “Prince”, but with the attitude you’re sporting, blacks will never be socially accepted in China, nor any other Asian country for that matter.
# 77|The Prince says: edit

To AmeChinese
Well just like the rest of ya bros and sis in China i reallt don’t give a “F” if you are American chinese or cuz to me y7a just chinese and that can been seen in your reasoning and writing.Now when i talk about percentage it doesn’t mean that i need to go down the street and count people and then get the percentage. If u were educated like u claim then in the course of ya cheap studies u must have come across something like “RANDOM SAMPLING” which is what is used when conducting a research. If ya too dumb to understand what it means then turn back to your books.Guess what,there’s nothing i say out here that has been invented,i talk from facts.Most of my white friends in China hold just an ESL cert which is a month’s long course and a very limited number of them hold a BA and if they do then it’s always like a BA in English or Education which we all know is a piece of cake to get. Next make sure u know what ya talking of be4 telling me that i’m pulling facts off ya mum’s ass or my ass AmeChinese.As a matter of fact blacks don’t need to be welcomed in China, all right what we need is for you guys to welcome manners and some civilization in your country and maybe Chinese will become socially fit for the world.I bet ya still spitting on the streets out there as well as on the floors of restaurants like your folks do back home. It’s time for a Change.P.S don’t push me against the wall next time.
# 78|American Chinese Person says: edit

Just keep it up “Prince”. The more you talk, the more your true colors show. When you have absolutely no facts to back up your opinions, you resort to personal attacks.

You completely misunderstood the concept of random sampling. China has over 1 billion people. First of all, your sample needs to be large enough to be statistically valid. You sound like someone who would flip a coin twice with it landing on tails both times and then say “Yup, 100% chance of tails.”

Second, your sample needs to be representative of the entire population. How exactly did you account for bias in your sample?

“Guess what,there’s nothing i say out here that has been invented,i talk from facts.”

What facts??? I supported my opinions with an link to actual evidence. Where are these facts that you speak of?

“Most of my white friends in China hold just an ESL cert which is a month’s long course and a very limited number of them hold a BA and if they do then it’s always like a BA in English or Education which we all know is a piece of cake to get.”

An example of self-selection at work. Judging from your reasoning, you don’t seem very intelligent, and I wouldn’t expect your friends to be either.

“s a matter of fact blacks don’t need to be welcomed in China, all right what we need is for you guys to welcome manners and some civilization in your country and maybe Chinese will become socially fit for the world.”

Funny, we’re doing pretty well in America. Why is it that white people welcome us a lot more than they welcome black people? And please don’t say slavery.

“P.S don’t push me against the wall next time.”

OK, tough guy.
# 79|Olatunji says: edit

It is sad when we start resorting to calling each other offensive names. This doesn’t help alleviate the problem of Racism. What will erase Racism is a thorough knowledge of World History, with a particluar emphasis upon ancient Afrikan History and Western Asian History, as well as ancient Geography. Then what is needed is thorough knowledge of current events,especially those people I’ve mentioned; THE NEW WORLD ORDER ELITE. These are the people controlling the planet, its resources,the media-which is how you control peoples minds. This is no longer about the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade, it’s greater than that.If you don’t understand Racism is its full splender, you can’t hope to understand how it functions and effects everyone on the planet. I’ll part with a few quotes from various writers, scholars, etc. (1) ” Thonly functional Racism that exists among people in the known is White Supremacy.”- Neely Fuller universe (2) ” It seems to go curiously unnoticed, that the descendents of Black and Brown people, who were once enslaved or colonized by Europeans, currently comprise the majority of people that now live in poverty.” Ezra Aharone (3) ” The beginnig of wisdom is to call things by their proper names.” -Chinese Proverb .Until the world’s people come to terms, honestly about the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, Institutional Racism and White Supremacy, and how it has perpetrated the inferiority of Blacks and other people of color to the world, this world as it is will continue , until one day it and the people on it, destroys itself.
” When a man or woman, who is hoestly mistaken hears the truth, he or she will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.”- unknown. If we honestly want peace work for justice. Please everyone who is honest and wants to change this world for the better, please read my earlier posts. You’ll a wealth of information that will help you gain a better understanding of how they planet and its people have gooten this way. Peace, Olatunji
# 80|The Prince says: edit

That’s what u think that ya welcomed ehh. I bet u just flipped ya own coin and came out with that answer.ya telling me that I need a representation of the entire population for a random sampling survey without even asking me the territory that i covered.Amechinese i’ve prolly been to more cities in china than most Chinese have as well as countrysides.Added to that,I’m also fluent in Mandarin,so i get every bit of comments made by your people whenever I walk down the street.Well I think exchanging ideas with you is gradually dragging me down to ya level so that you can understand me. As it appears you’re more of what i will term a “FUNCTIONAL ILLITERATE”let me ask u this if u have two employees and one is asking for $20 an hour and the other dude is asking for $7 dollars an hour for the same job.Who are u gonna welcome?? Think twice and i guess it answers the reason why ya more welcomed ,just cuz ya too dumb and can be used as door mats.This will be the last time I respond to any of your postings cuz ya just too dumb for any constructive arguement and ya adamant to change.
# 81|American Chinese Person says: edit

“ya telling me that I need a representation of the entire population for a random sampling survey without even asking me the territory that i covered.Amechinese i’ve prolly been to more cities in china than most Chinese have as well as countrysides.”

So what? I could go to DC, LA, Atlanta, Memphis, and then conclude America is full of black people, which it obviously isn’t. You didn’t account for bias in your sampling. Statistically valid studies have to do that unlike your made up facts that exist in your own mind.

“Added to that,I’m also fluent in Mandarin,so i get every bit of comments made by your people whenever I walk down the street.”

Congratulations on making an attempt to educate yourself.

“let me ask u this if u have two employees and one is asking for $20 an hour and the other dude is asking for $7 dollars an hour for the same job.Who are u gonna welcome?? Think twice and i guess it answers the reason why ya more welcomed ,just cuz ya too dumb and can be used as door mats.”

U.S. Census data shows Asians have the highest income whlie blacks have the lowest.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Income_Race.jpg

“This will be the last time I respond to any of your postings cuz ya just too dumb for any constructive arguement and ya adamant to change.”

You can’t respond to me because you have ZERO evidence to back up your claims. Meanwhile, I could go on forever giving you links to support my claims about most black people in America.

See, the problem with you is you can’t call a spade a spade. It’s always the other people that are wrong, never yourself.

Keep on thinking like that and discrimination against you will never stop.
# 82|American Chinese Person says: edit

@Olatunji

Nice quotes, but they don’t prove a single thing. It just makes you look like you’re playing the race card.

First of all, it was your own people that sold you into slavery. If you want to blame someone, blame your African ancestors.

Second of all, every race has been enslaved at one point or another in history. Chinese slaves worked on the Transcontinental railroad.

Thirdly, If slavery is to be blamed for all of black people’s problems, why are African countries by far the worst off in the world? You can’t blame their troubles on enslavement by white people.

The only relatively prosperous African country is South Africa, which has a significant white population. And that country has gotten worse and worse since blacks took power.

You can wax poetic all you want, but your sense of reality is seriously warped if you think white supremacy is the cause of black people’s problems. Right now in America, white people get crucified if they say anything negative about black people, even when it’s the truth. Affirmative action allows blacks to get jobs and into colleges without having to actually qualify for them. Any problems black people have is solely their own doing. Please don’t shift blame.
# 83|Olatunji says: edit

To American Chinese person: You seem to not have understood anything I’ve said. You haven’t researched anything I’ve said. Why don’t you purchase those books I’ve referred to you. Perhaps, you might change your mind. The books I speak of are written by those who’ve done the research, scholars. And to you statement that my own people sold us into slavery, those numbers were miniscule compared to the Caucasians who came to the shores of Afrika. Furthermore, they can’t sorely be responsible for for the inhumane treatment we’ve received since we came to the shores. That treatment is a ” Crime against humanity ” . As to your ignorance I can explain that very easy. You reflect the same behavior that other Caucasians exhibit when confronted with an uneasy truth. More importantly, you display your dishonesty and lack of integrity in this discussion. Why don’t you go do some reading and studying of world history and get back to me. Go read some of my earlier quotes and you’ll see the books I speak of and how, and where to purchase them. I can’t dispute your life’s experiences, I can say that they are only yours. They don’t reflect what history and current events has proven. What I’ve said regarding history can be easily proven or disproven, by you. Not be silly denunciations, but by simply reading those books I’ve alluded to . By the way, the insults only show you have nothing factual to say.Also, those quotes do mean something, if you’re honest and contemplate on them. Let us bring integrity and honesty to the discussion. Peace, Olatunji
# 84|Chaos is Beautiful says: edit

I realize that this is a discussion board about the racism in China, but there are alot of you within this board that fail to realize that China is by no means the only country with problems with racism. There is no specific race that is to blame for the problems the world has with racism. White people, black people, mexicans, chinese people. NONE of them are entitled to a clean conscience. There was a post made by a person which stated that the fight against chinese racism on black people is a lost battle.
Let me point out the fact that the fight against racism(reguardless of culture, race, color) Is a lost cause. One world trying to come together with as many different races, colors, lifestyles, religions…. that is your lost cause. As long as differences exist, so will racism.
# 85|Bobby brown says: edit

Americans are more racist against black people. no china man took black people as slaves and abused their human rights. chinese hate japanese because they deny the atrocities commited in china during ww2 and refuse to teach it in their classrooms, smilar to holocaust denial
# 86|American Chinese Person says: edit

@Olatunji

“You seem to not have understood anything I’ve said.”

That’s because all of it is YOUR biased opinion with no actual facts to support it.

“Why don’t you purchase those books I’ve referred to you. Perhaps, you might change your mind. The books I speak of are written by those who’ve done the research, scholars.”

How about some links to this “research”? Actual evidence, like the links I supplied showing black crime and income in America.

“And to you statement that my own people sold us into slavery, those numbers were miniscule compared to the Caucasians who came to the shores of Afrika.”

There was no way the small group of Caucausians who arrived on Africa’s shores could’ve enslaved that many people without the explicit consent of the African people on the continent. Africans heavily outnumbered the Caucasians and could’ve easily stopped them if they so choosed. Face reality, your own people were complicit in selling blacks into slavery in America.

“Furthermore, they can’t sorely be responsible for for the inhumane treatment we’ve received since we came to the shores. That treatment is a ” Crime against humanity ” .”

No single black person alive today has been a direct victim of slavery in America. Blacks get better treatment today than any other race in American society. Affirmative action discriminates against whites and Asians, and disproportionately benefits blacks. How is that “inhumane treatment”?

“As to your ignorance I can explain that very easy. You reflect the same behavior that other Caucasians exhibit when confronted with an uneasy truth.More importantly, you display your dishonesty and lack of integrity in this discussion.”

I challenge you to dispute the evidence in the links I posted. When you have nothing factual to say, you simply resort to personal attacks.

“Why don’t you go do some reading and studying of world history and get back to me. Go read some of my earlier quotes and you’ll see the books I speak of and how, and where to purchase them.”

I’ve read your quotes and they prove absolutely nothing. Like this one:

“” The beginnig of wisdom is to call things by their proper names.” -Chinese Proverb”

So this is supposed to somehow prove slavery is the root cause of all black problems in America? And what about the black countries where blacks weren’t enslaved by whites then? How many of them are doing well now? I like how you conveniently glossed over that point I made. It’s indicative of your bias and inability to be objective.

“By the way, the insults only show you have nothing factual to say.”

Reading this makes me think you haven’t even read what I wrote. Here’s a link I posted above regarding black homicide rates in America:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

“Let us bring integrity and honesty to the discussion.”

Why don’t you start yourself?
# 87|American Chinese Person says: edit

The facts are out there.

Blacks are the most likely to be in jail:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrair.htm

More blacks are on welfare than any other race:

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/character/FY2006/tab08.htm

Blacks have the second highest high school drop-out rate (Hispanics have the highest, although keep in mind many of them are recent immigrants who don’t know English):

nces.ed.gov/pubs2002/droppub_2001/tables/tableA.asp

These are all U.S. government statistics, not opinions by biased individuals that Olatunji likes to cite.
# 88|LE says: edit

To ABC or american chinese person.

I can see that you are either a caucasian troll, or chinese that is so out of touch and acutally took to being a “honorary white” citizen, or the so called “model minority”. i can easily poke major holes thru all your “facts”[as you are so fond of reciting to ad nauseum!] as if you listen and read the DOJ reporting as such, that there some that arrested, but may be innocent to even targeted in american society, something of which in the world, the chinese too, can said the most criminal elements as well, worldwide and america as well. The chinese world wide are seen as mostly criminal[even in their own society!] and in america, since most ABC’s[american born chinese] do crimes to mostly their own peoples, and they themselves, are not mainstream americans, mostly illegals from canal street to every american city that has a chinatown with canada as well, there is serious criminal element and very explotive, just as the chinese and asians that came and still come to africa, to exploit others for gain and use them , all the while sucking the continents dry of what they want. If ACP was really honest, it really asians and other that benefitted the most from affrimative actions, as we blacks, have had to always fight and do things for justice in this hostile country[ i never once saw a chinese or asian fighting for anything, just picking up the scraps that dominant america left over!] and with this said, and with such laws such as “the chinese exclusion acts”, i doubt any asian with any sense, believes for one minute, that caucasian america, would really rather hire or ever even want to employ a chinese person[s], as other then menial and “gopher” work[i have them in my workplace too!] as the chinese here, have a very lower approval ratings to the widestream america too! as for the discrepencies about wages since you are up on that too, many chinese and other asians, to often just all live together,[as there is not really a breakdown to which individual asian groups, they lump togther with the japanese, which are by far the most best of the asian groups in the fields!] and combine incomes, including those that are uneducated and those too work in resterants and laundries, cleaning, as well in some postions that do not take strong interpersonal and language skills. Nor analytical knowledge either. couple that with your leaving out the most “educated” and “highest” wage earners, as they are the south asians[i.e= indians, pakistanis, ect..] and lowest wage are the american indians, and even some disportened amount of chinese that live in the chinatown slums as well.;-)
And if you check the figures too, chinese were involved in the slave trade too, as they the Han and other chinese dynasties, also used blacks as well as their own people too! But unlike Mr.Olantunji, i will say that that whites too were not the sole cause and SOME tribes, did sell their people in to slavery[recognize same thing that your own “brethen” did to other races as well here in america;-)], and i more or less blame the arabs and the persians, and the south asians, as much as i do the caucasians, but i do not know how africans, that sold slaves from enemy tribes, can be accused of importing slavery around the world! you should yourself, get some good books, written but by the chinese here in america and abroad, if you do not wish to read “propaganda”,from “black” based books and liteture! chinese here in america, like from Iris Chang[the history of chinese in america] if you wish to factually honest and i see your facts here, are from the usa governement, as i see and if you believe all this and dote on this “data”, then more power too you, as i think the saying goes “Their are lies.. damn lies, and there are…statisics”.

And as far as the educations gaps, be honest there too! black people,hispanics, no matter how bright or their scores, cannot afford[some asians too, unless mommie and daddy paying for it, and in the same fields to ad nauseum!] as money, and paying money to be the “elite” and “edcuated”, is what this really is too!I can site so many asians [mostly chinese and vietnamese] that their “degree”, or “diploma”, is not worth the paper printed on it. a SAT/GMAT/ACT/ just is telling the colleges that you are prepared for college…not that you will do well in it. Do not forget to find out how many chinese, or other “asians”, are in mensa as well, if you remember the man that was a head of it a few years back…was a man of african-american extraction! Ask, what the chinese and the other asians have done in america, besides live under societies “underbelly” for decades? thought lower then animals? and, IF you wish to be honest and not a “shrill” for caucasions, and other “model minority” sycophants, then check it out, from your own asian publications as well! i do not need to list, as a intelligent “ABC” can find all this nifty data out[but i do have sources from ALL over!]not just DOJ sampling and such. I also wonder if chinese are so “clever”,then why are they here..and mainland, and such so vilified? and why is china called by other asians, as “the sick man of asia”? I wonder why they all live together and never leave the “nest”, even if they are in advanced ages? most data on income is from single individuals, not groups and “clans” of chinese and asians living and contributing to the whole households income as well. I could go on and on,but i think “the prince” and “olatunji”, are mostly correct in their findings and assertations, for which i am sure,if you were honest, would find out more then to “reguritate” more “data” and “proof”, that all caucasians and asians use just as the KKK likes to spout this as well. I think you and your attitudes are in good company and so you will never be lonely just as there is truth and nothing but the truth…;-)

P.S forgive my spelling, and punctations as this took all of about 30 seconds to write, but points made.;-)
# 89|LE says: edit

good post Mr.Olantunji, as usual! i must say that over here in CHINA, that you have quite a following and some of what we all suggested in earlier posts, are really educating the others here too! even I can change my mind too! so please, even though i think i you waste your time and and vast knowledge, such to answering the unwashed “drivel” here…i must commend to you the fight you are doing and making sure that all here that can READ and LEARN, will come back with something other then rote learning, memorizations, and rhetorically based “answers”,and see that their are, much larger issues, and that others in this world, are wanting to keep others down[yes chinese too!] adn profiting mightly from it as well, then just trying to place blames, and to say to “pull ourselves by own bootstraps”, after you have removed the boot…;-)
# 90|American Chinese Person says: edit

LE, for someone who accuses Chinese people of writing in “chinglish” (that’s racist), you might want to learn proper sentence structure yourself. Your stream-of-consciousness writing proves absolutely nothing.
# 91|Olatunji says: edit

You dismiss my evidence without having check its veracity. Those books I’ve cited hav a great deal of evidence. But you’ve never read any of them, so you wouldn’t know that. As to the governemnt evidence you do cite, if you look at the actual numbers, you’ll see that only the poor go to jail, rich go to San Clemente ( Nixon ). There are more Caucaisnas on welfare than Blacks. Percentage wise there are more Blacks on welfare , but in acutal numbers, there are far more Caucasians on welfare. This is so because we only make up 13% of the population, so we can’t be the largest number of people on welfare. It’s the same way with Prisons. Most of those Blacks, who are in prison are uneducated, they don’t have a high school diploma, can’t read, have been exposed to lead paint as children, which if you consulted those studies you’d have to acknowledge results in poor cognitive thinking, etc. There are a multitude of reasons for the plight of the Black race. You’re looking at this ’sideways’. You’ve just barely scratched the surface. Get those books I referred to you and get back to me. If you want peace, work for justice. Peace, Olatunji
# 92|one love says: edit

to American chinese person i just want to know why do you hate black people soo much or are you just an angry person. anyway i’ll pray for you my friend i hope you can be happy some day
# 93|American Chinese Person says: edit

“You dismiss my evidence without having check its veracity. Those books I’ve cited hav a great deal of evidence.”

Show me a link to an actual independent study or research backing them up. I can just as easily point you to books written by whites that say the exact opposite of what you’re saying.

“here are more Caucaisnas on welfare than Blacks. Percentage wise there are more Blacks on welfare , but in acutal numbers, there are far more Caucasians on welfare.”

Did you even look at the chart? There are more black families on welfare than whites PERIOD. Your assertion is completely 100% FALSE.

“It’s the same way with Prisons. Most of those Blacks, who are in prison are uneducated, they don’t have a high school diploma, can’t read, have been exposed to lead paint as children, which if you consulted those studies you’d have to acknowledge results in poor cognitive thinking, etc.”

Lead paint? That’s laughable. So why aren’t Asians having this lead paint problem? Black people are uneducated because they drop out of school. It’s nobody’s fault but their own.
# 94|American Chinese Person says: edit

@one love

“to American chinese person i just want to know why do you hate black people soo much or are you just an angry person.”

I’m not angry. I simply dislike dealing with most black people because of their behavior. Anywhere in America where black people are a majority, there is rampant crime, drugs, murder, etc.

Of course, none of them like our friends Olatunji and “Prince” here are willing to blame black people themselves for their problems and always look to shift blame by playing the race/slavery card.

Seriously, that happened over 100 years ago. Let it go already.
# 95|LE says: edit

to american chinese person:

you prove nothing except to which you are legendary to own mind, and as to your so called sources and logic, as well as your hatred to all things not chinese and caucasian, i think you probably the reason[s] that america and even china..will always have this problem…and i have to admit though..your english is fair for chinese in america too! peace
# 96|LE says: edit

to american chinese person:

I did NOT accuse you, or anyone of using “chinglish”, but actually of “chinglish” thinking, and believing your own dementia, and error in judgements and thoughts, and i think you would make a good poster boy for the Klan, or even the Red chinese underground, OR maybe the Tongs too! as i have said to Mr.Olatunji, those that cannot see and understand the truths presented, keep up this tirade and the rhetoric that you seem so keen to keep doing. Why not be honest, as your outright hatred to all things black, and it’s people, but have love and reverence all things white,[caucasian] or the standard to which you as a “american chinese person”, judge all things on?

And yes, your last verse and sentence, i DO think was totally thought out in “chinglish”!;-) thank you i enjoy such a mental marvel, such as yourself, to grasp all the intricies, and underlying problems, to which we “blacks/african” suffer so much to!
# 97|American Chinese Person says: edit

“I did NOT accuse you, or anyone of using “chinglish”, but actually of “chinglish” thinking”

So that makes it OK? It’s still racist. If I had used the N word, black people would be up in arms about it. What gives you the right to disrespect Chinese people like that?

“those that cannot see and understand the truths presented, keep up this tirade and the rhetoric that you seem so keen to keep doing.”

No, it’s only people like Olatunji who consistently employ rhetoric to defend their views. I gave links to actual facts.

“Why not be honest, as your outright hatred to all things black”

Nice job race-baiting. Why not be honest as to your outright racism against Chinese people then?

“And yes, your last verse and sentence, i DO think was totally thought out in “chinglish”!”

Again with the stereotyping of Chinese people. Judging from your writing, my English is way better than yours.
# 98|LE says: edit

To: american chinese person

No, your “english” is standard,[just as your masters have taught to you i am sure!;-)] with much to work on, and the syntaxes as well. And, please improve on your personal insults too! I love going head to head with a underdeveloped illogical mind, and compromised languages skills! I doubt very much your english is any better than mine and certainly worse than other native speakers, but keep up the practice,and give english to your brethen, with whom really need it, while you can get yourself a persona, one based on the real world,and that is not so prejudical and racial in nature. Also, write logically and concisely, and maybe Then you can use the improved english that you will need, in a really verbal battle won’t you?

peace be with you!
# 99|American Chinese Person says: edit

“I doubt very much your english is any better than mine and certainly worse than other native speakers, but keep up the practice,and give english to your brethen, with whom really need it, while you can get yourself a persona, one based on the real world,and that is not so prejudical and racial in nature.”

Nice run-on sentence. Please learn proper English sentence structure for your own sake. It just makes you look bad when you insult other people’s English skills.
# 100|Olatunji says: edit

To American Chinese person : You still haven’t read those books, havwe you? Are you afraid to take a look at the evidence I’ve offered ? You keep dismissing it without checking it out. As to that chart you spoke of, well all I’ll say is this: You wrong. The common sense of what I’ve staed is clear . In actual numbers, there are far more Caucasians on welfare than Blacks, and as I said that there might be a larger percetage of Blacks on welfare, this because we only make up 13 % of the entire population. To the person who seems to think I’m giving the Arabs a pass, quite the contrary. If you read my earlier posts, you’ll see that I haven’t excused them at all. They have and continue to be just as bad and sometimes worse in their treatment of Black people. Witness the Sudan, Mauritania, and other countries in North Afrika, as well as the history of revolts; such as the one in the 9th Century A.D. in Basra, Iraq, between Blacks and Arabs. Once the Arabs came into North Afrika, in 640 A.D., they showed themselves to be horrible ‘guests’ . As to the Persians
(Iranians), the only thing I can say is that I know of no evidence of them participating in the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade. As to invasion, Afrika has been invaded many times, starting as far back as 661 B.C. with the Assyrians, then the Persians in the 5th Century B.C., then the Greeks in 332 B.C. , then the Romans in 30 B.C. and as I alluded to earlier, the Arabs in 640 A.D. , the Turks in the 15 Century A.D. and finally the Spanish, Portugese, French, British, Dutch, Germans,etc. But getting back to the discussion at hand, Racism as we know it today, started with the Caucasian control both physical, and then thru the control and flow of information. Again, Chinese person the reason you think as you do, is becasue you haven’t accessed the information to which I speak. My only request, of which you refuse to do, is for you access those books I’ve continually spoken of and then challenge what I’ve postulated. ” If you want peace, work for justice.” Peace, Olatunji

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